I don't like Trisquel name, and logo
I don't like Trisquel's name, nor its logo, I don't think they have any relation with what Trisquel is or wants to be or become. It's an irrelevant name when talking about free software, it doesn't even combine words that mean something relevant to the free software movement.
The name is difficult to pronounce, the name does not resonate with its users, the name trisquel does not suggest anything pleasant or desirable for today's or tomorrow's users of Trisquel.
The name trisquel does not stand out in anything meaningful among the other 100% free distros.
I open the debate.
I like the name Trisquel and the logo :-)
I do too. Trisquel has its roots in Galicia, Spain where our fearless leader Rubén came from. The Trisquel name and logo are a nod to Galicia's Celtic roots. Denying Rubén that bit of cultural pride feels unfair.
Trisquel is a nod to the origins of its maintainer. Strictly based on the name you agree with me. The name Trisquel has no relation to the free software movement, except what its maintainer did. That seems to me a motive, but not a salient feature for a project name that should be broader than the origin of one of its maintainers.
What do you think Trisquel should be called instead? Here's an idea: TotallyRespectingSoftwareFreedom GNU/Linux. Rolls right off the tongue, right? Many free software projects have names where the name itself has no direct connection to the free software movement. Do you believe they should all be renamed for consistency? If not, why single out Trisquel?
So do I
Suggestions?
Used to be called Trisquel LiGNUx. Still a lot of references to Trisquel LiGNUx on various old websites online. Would calling it LiGNUx again make you happy?
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In my main language, Trisquel is not difficult to pronounce. Would Triskel be pronounced differently? In my main language, it is pronounced exactly the same. When people whose main language is English pronounce Ubuntu, I may have no clue what they are speaking about because it is so different.
Can you come up any name that would "resonate with its users" or "suggest anything pleasant or desirable for today's or tomorrow's users"? To me, names are just names, they get known for what they do and this is what makes them suggest something pleasant. Like GNU is nice because of the GNU project, but out of that context it does not really suggest anything besides some particular animal that isn't less or more attractive than many other.
To me, one thing that may be good to suggest something pleasant or attractive could be to make some background images as screen saver that hint to things about Trisquel or free software.
I have seen worse names for a distro. Trisquel? Meh, don't care much.
Besides, if you want to hate on a distro, its name and logo are very rarely good reasons.
Unless its one of those odd distros with a provocative name or logo, then no.
I saw one that has this white supremacy theme once.
Like what the hell...
That is a good reason to hate a distro based on logo and name.
This? No.
I am very disappointed how many fellow distro users think that my message is a “hate on a distro”, it amazes me how English users use the word “hate lightly”.
My message was very clear and precise and yet there are individuals who either have reading comprehension problems or simply have very thin skin. Because what I said, was simply “I don't like Trisquel name and logo" nothing related neither to the technical nor to the ethical values of the distribution.
Remember readers, I am as much a trisquel user as any of you and I also reject non-free software.
> Because what I said, was simply “I don't like Trisquel name and logo" nothing related neither to the technical nor to the ethical values of the distribution.
Indeed, and I see you have good intentions. I'm not blaming you, it seems people will come to the conclusion that disliking an innocent Celtic name simply due to viewing it as irrelevant inevitably means also hating and wishing annihilation upon everything the GNU/Linux distro under that name stands for. People are generally angry, which wouldn't be so bad if the anger was fueled towards positive change, but, with contempt for ethics and altruism, instead of using anger to condemn and hate injustice instead people will mostly just hate on things for petty reasons rather than ethics, and even when people pretend to be ethical it's mostly just a pretext (people often try to justify their hate of the proprietary distro so-called (and errouneously) Ubuntu[1] through ethical concerns about proprietary software (valid concerns) yet most of these people will happily use (be used by) other proprietary-software-endorsing distros, showing that the true concern is not ethics but simply the distro itself) unlike the stereotype that being careless about ethics and surrendering to the ruthless world will somehow bring "peace of mind", therefore with this comes the mindset that simply disliking a name MUST mean complete disregard for any other ideals such as ethics
I do find that the name "Trisquel GNU/Linux" might indeed not be clear enough in some cases, so it could be better to e.g. use "Trisquel GNU/Linux-libre", or even more strongly "GNU/Linux-libre Trisquel" to show that ethics such as software freedom always come first and that the identity ("Trisquel") simply follows from this, this could also help avoid harmful favoritism and hostility between the different FSDG-compliant distros by making it clear that the main goal is ethics and so having multiple FSDG-compliant distros and systems is welcome and even desirable.
Indeed, the "Trisquel" symbol does make references to freedom and also promotes it by valuing cultural diversity and a healthy view of the world, though this would still be unclear to people not aware of this culture, hence the term "GNU/Linux-libre" being prioritized in the paragraph given above. Some nice interpretations of the trisquel symbol I've found:
> this sacred and magical symbol that for them represented learning, and the past, the present and the future. It also represents the balance between body, mind and spirit, the beginning and the end, evolution and growth, perpetual learning and eternal evolution.
> Movement and Evolution: The rotating shape of the triskelion represents the constant flow of life and evolution. It reflects the Celtic belief in the interconnectedness of all things and the cyclical nature of time. For the Celts, the triskelion symbolized the ability to adapt and grow as one embarks on life's journey.
> Another meaning attributed to the trisquel is that of protection and good luck. It was believed that this symbol had the power to ward off evil and attract positive energies.
[1]. I'd rather call it something more contemptful such as Ubunut because "ubuntu" is an African word meaning "humanity towards others", which is something that the distro itself simply does not follow with its disregard for ethics, just like all other proprietary-software-promoting distros
I never said you wanted to destroy trisquel and its image. like the poster responding to you suggested I might be. That would be mega extreme.
I guess hate is a strong word, but I wasn't going to that far extent with it even so idk.
Alas that is the issue with taste, it is different for everyone. Some people like it, others will not. That is but he way of the world.
But allow me to put on my snide hat (in good fun). A name can just be a name, it doesn't always have to be something that defines its exact purpose. Uber means nothing outside of some European languages, nothing to do with an exploitative business. Google is not a real word. I have no idea what a 'Pepsi' is and for that matter, Dr Pepper isn't a doctor!
I do like that Trisquel is a call back to something that we don't really know what it was about. the Trisqueliton. But it is a logo appears endlessly through out European history for almost two millennia. It is a fun little thing.
> Trisqueliton
A common nickname for Trisquel Mini.
Rebranding the whole Trisquel name and getting a new website name may be costly, but the name of the next version "could" be like
Trisquel Fidget spinner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidget_spinner
or something, but that may be a little like a "Troll Lounge" and also TFS may sound like the "Trialware/non-libre/proprietary software" on this list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFS
Though "LiGNUx fidget spinner"
May be shortened to LFS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LFS
Like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_From_Scratch
Though that may be more like Gnu/Linux from scratch. I do not think that also can easily be changed to Linux/Replicant from scratch.
What name for Trisquel and/or the "numbered version names" ideas does anyone have?
Dates for the versions like Parabola uses? Than names would not be Celtic god names but numbers.
Though that may be more hard for search engines to find, but more easy to know when that version of Trisquel was started at.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskelion#Occurrence_in_nature
C3h? Likely too small a name. Triethylborane, boric acid, Tribrachidium? Maybe odd names for a operating system name.
Three armed starfish? Sea creature names? Still odd. It could work, but not likely for the main distro name.
The C sea? Sea_Inn (a pun on C input) Nice sea/C++ toy? Still odd. And I may be "drifting in the sea/C" torwards the "Troll Lounge" with these names. Tries_cool? Cool/Gnu as in nice/freedom not cold/*nix.
Still nice/funny/memorable names could help Trisquel be found. Anyone have other name ideas for Trisquel or its version names?
Though Trisquel's name does not likely need a change, it could be changed. Or/and how versions are named could be changed, even if only at the forum for entertainment of the Trisquel users.
Trisquel's name is completely irrelevant to me but I haven't used it in a while anyhow. Not that its name mattered much to me even when I used it. ;)
The name Trisquel is not a problem for me. Rebranding would cost resources and destroy value. Thank you very much.
I love the name, and as a fellow Celt I appreciate the theming.
I've used many different GNU/Linux distros in my time, but none come close to the experience of using this one. Tremendous gratitude to everyone who works on this project.
Olá Camaradas! Eu gosto do nome Trisquel. É original!
you're all insane for discussing this. the name is fine. why spend so much time devoted to such a trivial thing?
trisquel does a job it's meant to do. it could rename to Catch the White Whale GNU/Linux, and it wouldn't really matter, would it?
But if it is to rename, that is the name I propose. It's the first meaningless suggestion that came to my mind.
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The name and logo of Trisquel are great. They resonate way more than Ubuntu with me personally.
In order to understand Ubuntu's name I had to read up about some foreign culture. Yes it works, yes the name has a good meaning and certainly is a great idea for a name, in theory. But for a european person like me, who had no idea about "Ubuntu" and what it meant, the situation felt forced, cumbersome and unnecessary difficult. Same with the names each Ubuntu distribution gets. I can't remember them, never could.
With Trisquel however, I feel reminded of my childhood fascination with myths about Tor, Sigurd, etc. Used to read stories about Valhalla, Odin, and many other gods from that pantheon. I also find celtic knots beautiful. The look of the logo is recognizable as something celtic AND is a nod to Debian's own logo. Which is worse than Trisquel's, because it is visualy unbalanced with just one swirl on top, while Trisquel looks way more stable and balanced with three arms.
For anyone who does not know the background from which those names originate, I feel the names still might give a feeling of mysteriousness and importance. Way better than the silly Ubuntu distro names that no one can feasibly remember.
The distro name and logo do NOT have to be related to free software and the whole ethos of it. They need to convey some feeling (mystery, imporantance, maybe even magical power in the case of Trisquel), be short and easy to remember and hard to mixup with something unrelated.
I have a longstanding beef with the tendency in free/libre software to pick names that are irrelevant at best and often unnecessarily off-putting and counter-productive.
However, on this one, though, I'd give a low priority. I'd only even consider changing it after a LOT of other names get changed: "daemon", "Claws", "Iceweasel", "Evolution", "ReactOS", the devil theme logos and mascots of BSD, Darwin, etc., and more. Ogg sounds too much like "odd" although maybe you could make the official logo version of it resemble musical notes - a full note and two upside-down eighth note symbols (although the flags would have to go the wrong way).
Anyway, back to Trisquel..
First of all, I think the logo is attractive and attention-getting. It draws the eye and invites strangers to ask, "what's that?"
Second, the name includes both Linux (which many people have at least heard of) and GNU. A conversation starter right there. And the official version of the name has a different font style for each of the three elements of the name.
Admittedly the name is not as straightforward, self-contained, and self-explanatory as some other free software names like Abrowser, Libreboot, LibreOffice, Freedoom, OpenArena, SuperTux Kart Racing, and PCLinuxOS.
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My first preference is that a name is reasonably easy to pronounce in most languages. Then if the name would be able to carry the same meaning in many languages, that would be a bonus, but this looks really difficult, so the pronounciation criterion looks sufficient to me.
For my language (French), Trisquel and Triskel are easy to pronounce, and they mean absolutely nothing, so they look pretty good. From the same perspective, nabia and aramo are good names, ecne is not (unclear how to prononce).
Abrowser is perhaps one of the worst word ever for me to pronounce (iron is as bad, in case anyone would want to propose). About "iceweasel": I even did not know a weasel was an animal, and I have actually no clue which one it is. Nevertheless, it feels nearly as bad as abrowser to pronounce.
Yeah Abrowser is the worst name by far. I have no issue with Iceweasel but I am a native English speaker. Looking at a dictionary, the term for weasel in French is belette.
As for Claws Mail, it is my favorite email client that I've found but it's not really geared towards the typical user. There is no built-in support for HTML email, for example. So it will never have a large userbase regardless of its name, and I think that's fine.
Iceweasel for me is preferable to abrowser.
just call it "the GNU Free System Distribution Guideline-adherent GNU/Linux-libre distribution based on Ubuntu LTS releases"
GNU Free System Distribution Guideline-adherent GNU/Linux-libre distribution based on Ubuntu LTS releases GNU/Linux-libre
/join #thegnufreesystemdistributionguidelineadherentgnulinuxlibredistributionbasedonubuntultsreleasesgnulinux
EDIT:
Other possible suggestions:
NotUbuntu GNU/Linux-libre
NonNonFree GNU/Linux-libre
Damn GNU Linux
Damn Free GNU/Linux
Not GNU/Linux (NGL)
LibertyD
FreeD GNU/Linux-libre
GNU/Linux-libre the Definitive Edition
GNUFreeOS
GSD (GNU System Distribution)
GNUfield and Friends GNU/Linux-libre
I Hate Mondays GNU/Linux-libre
Spunky GNU/Linux-libre
and so on
my leahbrain can't think of more at this time
I'm proud to use Trisquel for more than a decade now. As a french user, french people always think of the celtics in the western France when they see the logo.
I don't want any change.
@iShareFreedom, you just pretend but do not demonstrate anything. Or very few.
The logo makes totally sense : 3 swirls : one for Debian, one for Ubuntu, one for Trisquel.
- Sovereign
- Liberadora
- Libremente
- LibreMind
- Libertador
- Gnulia
- Hurdiana
- Gnuvox
- Autarca
- Soberano
- Autonomía
- Librego
- Soberanía
- Águila Libre
- Libeo
- Liburna
- Libextract
- Liberium
- Freebyte
- Libortho
- Sovelia
- Freesys
- Libanzio
- Gnusfera
- Liberaction
- Freefall
- Libspace
- Liberdata
- Freetum
- Libelium
- Soveliax
- Freezed
- Libcharge
- Freeart
- Libspacex
- Sovelios
- Freebios
- Libypass
- Liberbyte
- Freebeam
- Libextracto
- Soveliaos
- Freescout
- Libgig
- Libervue
- Liberaos
- Libergar
- Soveliano
- Freescouts
- Libspacexe
- Freezy
- Libgiga
- Sovelior
- Freespe
- Libbytea
- Liberación
- FreeStyle
- Libshield
- Liberdefense
- FreeGuard
- Libprotect
- Liberaim
- Libextractor
- Libertya
- Freexia
- Librezza
- Sovereignia
- Freedomix
- Liberona
- Librezzo
- Freezona
- Librefly
- Gnusol
- Hurdiana Libre
- Gnuverse
- AutarcOS
- Soberanix
- Autonomix
- Libredom
- Sovreignia
- Indi
- Sove
- Auton
- Autnom
Do you like some of them?
I like Sovelior GNU/Linux-libre or Autnom GNU/Linux-libre and Libeo GNU/Linux-libre
I like "Freezy", in this list
Freezy GNU/Linux-libre
that name has guts
I'm not sure its wrong or not...
Sometimes I thought why Trisquel and if it's not connected to some freemasonry evil stuff as a symbol.
But I couldn't find the straight connection
If you call it as some generic stuff like "GNU Free Software Linux" or such, people will forget about it for sure
I see little or no problem with the name. There are better things to be concerned about in Trisquel than its name, such as the fact its based on ubuntu, a very corporate distro.
EDIT: The hate is here still. Must mean they cannot handle my viewpoint.
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> There are better things to be concerned about in Trisquel than its name, such as the fact its based on ubuntu, a very corporate distro.
Ubuntu is easier to use than other distros, Trisquel removes all non-free software from it and adopts default settings for increased privacy, which allows to have an easy to use and privacy respecting distro. If Trisquel would not be based on Ubuntu, this would certainly not harm Canonical, but this may harm Trisquel by making it less easy to use. You are free to use free software regardless who made it, refusing to use it based on who made it is harming yourself, it is not harming who made it.
I'd certainly like to use and recommend GNU Guix to everyone, but currently, it isn't easy enough to use for that.
>"Ubuntu is easier to use than other distros"
It's easier to use than Gentoo or Slackware. Not generally easier to use than Debian or Devuan though.
>"If Trisquel would not be based on Ubuntu, this would certainly not harm Canonical, but this may harm Trisquel by making it less easy to use."
I'm not a Trisquel developer, but I have trouble seeing how Trisquel would be less easy to use if it were based on Debian or Devuan.
Basing Trisquel on Debian or Devuan would also give you easier access to more cpu architectures.
Probably going to have to decide at some point. Ubuntu seems intent on abandoning deb packaging more and more and replacing it with snap packaging. At some point, they are likely to replace some critical system packages with snaps and make it virtually impossible to fork the distro into a non-snap state.
My dad, who is competent with technology but has better things to do than tinkering with GNU/Linux distros, couldn't install Debian on a new laptop so he installed Ubuntu. I think it didn't boot and I'm not sure why. Maybe the kernel was too old?
The Debian installer isn't the greatest, but Trisquel has a really good installer already.
Also, Ubuntu probably includes more non-free firmware making it easy to install, but obviously that doesn't benefit Trisquel at all.
True. Actually now that I remember, he had me install Ubuntu on a different computer (yes, I know, RMS will be mad at me) and the installer crashed for some reason. However it seemed that it was almost done at that point and I was able to boot the system.
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I think Trisquel, Debian, and Ubuntu have fun and memorable naming schemes. Debian's names from the Toy Story franchise, and Ubuntu's names consisting of an alliterative word pair (adjective, animal), in alphabetical order. Oh, and Mint, with Womans' names in alphabetical order. Every time a new Trisquel release comes out, I have to look up the Celtic god, for whom it's named.
The Trisquel symbol reminds me of the inserts you put in 45 records. #nostalgia #GoodTimes LOL!
"Trisquel" reads like something unique, something waiting to be discovered and experienced, as it was for me... and here I am, having never forgotten since the first day I've heard of *Trisquel*.
I feel lucky someone told it to me!